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The 5 position system

Post by mmidgers » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:18 pm

Can anyone explain this to me. I just don't get it
http://books.google.com/books?id=a2DCgc ... &resnum=10#

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What I do understand is all the modes from the major scale but i don't understand how this is supposed to give you all those modes. it just confuses the hell out of me :(

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Re: The 5 position system

Post by foal30 » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:19 pm

OK

position 2

D major

Dorian (IIm) Phrygian (IIIm), Lydian(IVmaj), Mix (V7)

you can play all 4 of these modes (scales) octave to octave is what I think he is explaining.

what is the II of Dmaj...Em
so start from open E string....easy.

IIIm is F#
so F# G A B C# D E F#

IVmaj is G...etc,etc.

here is 4 diatonic modes with whilst playing "in position", Di Bartolo argues the importance of being able to play with diatonic "assurance" in any position with limited or no left hand shifting.

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Re: The 5 position system

Post by foal30 » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:23 pm

position 5

again Low E open

key is Amaj

E is what of Amaj? ... it is the V

V is always mixolydian mode
you get Aeolian, Locrain and Ionian too in this example

look at it as a circle ... it's not I = Ionian as start or VII Locrian as finish

any starting point gives you 4 CONSECUTIVE MODES in corresponding order... if Phrgyian is first then Aeolian must be last (III-VI = 4 modes)

clear as mud? :D
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Re: The 5 position system

Post by mmidgers » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:45 pm

I think i get it now. You're a genius :D

Thanks man.

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Re: The 5 position system

Post by foal30 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:46 pm

no I have had this book for 7 years!

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Re: The 5 position system

Post by Fenderfan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:38 pm

Damn, I just came across this, and this book looks like it covers it all! May have to invest in a copy....
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Re: The 5 position system

Post by Harley » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:29 pm

mmidgers wrote:I think i get it now. You're a genius :D

Thanks man.
One of the easiest ways to see how modes work, is to get on a keyboard and use the scale of Cmaj. The scale of Cmaj is made up completely of the white keys.

So start on C and play all the white keys up to the octave of C - that's the "first position"

If you start on the E key, that's the third position of the Cmaj scale - play all the white keys up a full octave from that original E

..and so on. You'll get the picture of how the different modes sound and they are always easy to negotiate on a keyboard for Cmaj - just to get an idea.
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